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Jul. 28th, 2017 02:14 pm
nanslice: (Default)
[personal profile] nanslice
Wow, Dream Daddy fandom has already sent a fanartist into hiding by sending her death threats, all because she drew the daddies genderbent. The DD twitter account commented on it.

Why is fandom like this now? :\

Date: 2017-07-28 06:31 pm (UTC)
yuuago: (NorIce - Rest)
From: [personal profile] yuuago
I have no idea, but it sucks so bad. The game is so cute, why the hell are there such batshit assholes in its fandom?!

Date: 2017-07-28 10:06 pm (UTC)
inkstone: Alex Benedetto from the @Bunch issue containing Chapter 42 (Default)
From: [personal profile] inkstone
If by problematic themes, they're referring to hallmarks of the VN genre, which have some really fucked up content. Like you expect some of the routes to be messed up! Come on, fandom.

Date: 2017-07-28 10:31 pm (UTC)
inkstone: a black-haired anime girl covered in roses (blood roses)
From: [personal profile] inkstone
I have a feeling that like other VNs, you have to unlock that route. It has a kind of explanatory thing going on (i.e. why all the dads are single) so I bet you have to do something like get All Good Endings for the other dads. I played a VN like that once -- you had to get all four good endings to unlock the true path with the real love interest.

And yeah, I've seen that take and it makes me roll my eyes. Come on. If every other ending is sweet and wholesome, this one fucked up thing is fine. I don't know. I just come from the POV that it's a VN. There are going to be fucked up things. I mean, damn, even the pigeon boyfriend game had fucked up things in it!!

Date: 2017-07-28 08:36 pm (UTC)
allekha: (Default)
From: [personal profile] allekha
What is with fandom these days @.@ There's always been arguments, sometimes awful ones, but I don't remember it being this bad 5+ years ago, or at least I never heard about fanartists getting so much hate and even getting bullied into suicide attempts until the past couple of years.

(And who decided genderbends were transphobic? I never got that memo.)

Date: 2017-07-29 01:11 am (UTC)
allekha: (Default)
From: [personal profile] allekha
This is the kind of stuff that has me waffling on de-anoning a particular dirtybadwrong fic I wrote a few weeks ago. Ugh. I hope the artist is doing okay; nobody deserves to get dogpiled over their fanart.

...I don't know even how to follow that logic. (I wonder how many of the objectors are trans - though I'm sure there must be at least a few - versus cis people trying to earn SJ points by attacking the artist on behalf of trans people.)

Date: 2017-07-29 01:33 am (UTC)
collartheory: (0001elesa)
From: [personal profile] collartheory
This is the kind of stuff that has me waffling on de-anoning a particular dirtybadwrong fic

Yeah, exactly this. I stopped sharing anything fannish on Tumblr because I go in for a lot of, uh. Stuff. Stuff that, in the circles I run in, is pretty thoroughly verboten. Didn't feel like provoking the torches-and-pitchforks treatment that seemed to be getting more and more prevalent there at the time.

Date: 2017-07-29 01:20 am (UTC)
collartheory: (Default)
From: [personal profile] collartheory
(Sorry, accidentally hit Enter one sentence in.)

Yes, it's problematic, but so are death threats?

Like, I absolutely get that "de-queering" (so to speak) a canonically LGBT+ character is quite shitty, but it's not like the artist specifically set out to genderbend a trans character. They genderbent everyone.

IDK. This kind of thing is why I left Tumblr. If a well-meaning person does something fannish that rubs you the wrong way, you leave them be. There's a lot of elbow room on the internet. You don't rally the troops and make death threats. That's the kind of shit that Anita Sarkeesian has to deal with every day from alt-right children.

(I am not saying that Anita Sarkeesian rubs me the wrong way. Thought I should point that out. I am comparing these riled-up folks to, well, alt-right children.)
Edited Date: 2017-07-29 01:27 am (UTC)

Date: 2017-07-28 08:59 pm (UTC)
kahaeli: (tmnt // rage)
From: [personal profile] kahaeli
Ugh, crap like this is why I don't participate in fandom on a larger scale anymore. I've never been targeted with such vitriol, but watching it happen to others has taught me to keep a low profile, which is sad, 'cause I probably miss out on a lot of fun stuff.

Fandom can get really scary.

Date: 2017-07-29 12:39 am (UTC)
kalloway: (Crazy Little Thing Called Fandom)
From: [personal profile] kalloway
I caught a little bit of this on FFA, but wow those comments to the official twitter... *__*

I wish I knew what happened to the old mindset of 'come across something not your cuppa, back button/scroll on by and ignore'.

And all this over a genderswap piece, which is pretty much a fanart hallmark.

*shakes head*

Date: 2017-07-29 03:45 am (UTC)
hokuton_punch: A manga picture of Kyoko from 20th Century Boys with a horrified expression, captioned "oh hell no." (20th century boys kyoko no)
From: [personal profile] hokuton_punch
Goddamnit, fandom, NO. NO. *facepalm*

Date: 2017-07-29 07:50 am (UTC)
itsamellama: (Default)
From: [personal profile] itsamellama
x_x I've been having to research a ton of cyberbullying cases and oh god not another one because fandom. Death threats are still death threats!!!

Date: 2017-07-30 11:29 am (UTC)
meicdon13: (Default)
From: [personal profile] meicdon13
*pretends to be shocked*

Date: 2017-08-02 01:53 am (UTC)
meicdon13: (Default)
From: [personal profile] meicdon13
Tangent, but is it wrong if I actually WANT Joseph's cult ending to be playable lmao. I keep hearing that he's some sort of shady ass and I want them to just go on and go full white devil with him.

Date: 2017-08-02 02:27 am (UTC)
meicdon13: (Default)
From: [personal profile] meicdon13
Someone on the internet: This is problematic!
Me: LET ME EAT DIRT.

In all seriousness, I find ""problematic"" stuff interesting because it's problematic.

Date: 2017-07-31 04:32 pm (UTC)
thenicochan: (Chris Until Dawn)
From: [personal profile] thenicochan
Fandom can be terrible. People can be terrible

Just. Ugh.

Date: 2017-08-02 04:53 am (UTC)
shamanicshaymin: Being meguca is suffering. (Mami :: Grief)
From: [personal profile] shamanicshaymin
Oh, oh, but that fanartist deserves to be bullied because genderbending is ~*~transphobic~*~! She should accept the death threats as a "learning experience" and do better next time! :DDD

To which a sane twitter user replied, "how little empathy do you have to have to respond to "this person's getting death threats" with "well okay but maybe that'll teach em"

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